Arsenal make a flat cake in Köln (plus a simple lesson on how to spot a dive)

Thanks to a dodgy penalty call and some lacklustre attacking play Arsenal lost 1-0 to Köln in Cologne but managed to win their group anyway and move on to the knockout round in the Europa League. After the game, I finished baking my pumpkin cake and went over to my brother’s house where I had dinner and was forced to listen to my family muse over politics and other topics that they don’t really understand but that they do love to TALK LOUDLY AND ANGRILY ABOUT.

My cake was a disaster. It was too dense and gummy. People often say “baking is unforgiving” or that baking is a science. It is and I messed up the science on this one. The recipe called for adding the baking powder to the sugar mixture and then creaming that with the butter. Doing it that way meant that the leavener wasn’t incorporated fully in the batter and I got pockets where the baking powder reacted, leaving a spelunking hole, and then dense pockets of gummy batter next to those holes. The flavor was great but I should have trusted my experience and sifted the baking powder with the cake flour to ensure even distribution.

I think that’s a metaphor for the match yesterday as well: Cologne was a huge spelunking hole and Arsenal was a dense pocket. That dense pocket was tasty but anyone who took a slice inevitably threw away half of it because it was weird and not at all cake-like.

Cologne sat back in their own half and invited Arsenal to attack them, which Arsenal did in one of two basic ways: dribble and/or cross. It’s not a bad plan but like the cake, they just couldn’t pull it off. Let me explain.

Arsenal attempted 38 dribbles in this match. That’s 30 more dribbles than Arsenal average per game in Premier League play (8.8). And all of Arsenal’s dribbles were in the Köln half, with 34 of them in their final third. Cologne tried to tackle, but they were dribbled past 28 times.

I can’t even explain how insane that is, Arsenal beat their man in 1v1 duels 28 times in this match. Brighton leads the Premier League with 10.7 “was dribbleds” per game, Napoli leads the Champions League with 16.6 “was dribbleds”, and Köln has been dribbled a total of 64 times in the Europa League, 28 of them happened last night!

Köln were sitting deep and Arsenal were attacking them, breaking them down, getting past their man, but then not getting off a shot. In the last 8 minutes of the match, Arsenal attempted 8 dribbles, 4 for Wilshere and 4 for Nelson but only one of those dribbles resulted in a shot (for Nelson). Arsenal’s only other shot in the last 8 minutes was Wilshere’s rather well taken shot from 20 yards.

Wilshere led Arsenal with 9/13 dribbles and Ainsley Maitland-Niles came in 2nd with 5/9. Even Welbeck was a dribblin’ fool – making 5/6 dribbles. Welbeck has four successful dribbles in 464 Premier League minutes. He had 5 in 46 minutes against Köln.

The problem was that Arsenal’s forward didn’t want to shoot or couldn’t create space to shoot. Olivier Giroud had zero shots. Wilshere was trying to get him the ball but Giroud spent most of the night standing still. And when he did move, all he did was act like he was fouled.

Ironically fans beg for Wenger to use Giroud in exactly these kinds of games when the opponent packs the defense. But Giroud had precious little to offer – he won zero headers, he took zero shots, he lost possession twice and gave away the ball with a bad pass an additional 14 times (of 35 passes). All he was able to offer this match was one key pass in the 29th minute.

The other tactic Arsenal attempted in this match was to cross the ball. Wenger’s team tried 30 crosses in this game – that’s twice as many as they normally attempt in Premier League play. But Arsenal only won one aerial duel in the box, that was for Jack Wilshere in the 20th minute.

It wasn’t like Arsenal were putting in excellent crosses all night and that Köln were out there winning tons of headers in the box, they won just five in their 18 yard box all night. Arsenal were crossing the ball on nearly every play but failing to find a teammate. Arsenal connected just 5 times on crosses; two each for Elneny and AMN and one for Wilshere. Those three players combined to complete 5 of 21, the other players went 0/9.

There were other problems as well. Both of Maitland-Niles’ successful crosses came in the first half and after the break he dropped off considerably both physically and to make room for Iwobi. In the first half he was playing with Welbeck in front of him and the Englishman likes to cut inside, giving AMN plenty of room to work but in the second half Iwobi (rightly) took that space from him. Maitland-Niles is an excellent footballer and I have high hopes for him but you can see that he’s raw.

The other weird thing was that both of Elneny’s successful crosses came from set pieces. I don’t know why Wilshere isn’t taking those kicks but I do know that Elneny’s free kicks were pretty awful.

Köln won the game when Debuchy apparently touched their forward who was already well on his way down before he was touched. To give credit to them, the move was well orchestrated and Debuchy was bone-headed to make the challenge. Guirassy passed the ball between Chambers and Giroud and then made a little run. Chambers stared at the ball – thinking about his latest level on Candy Crush and devising a plan to get past it. Jojic played a fairly poor ball into the box and Guirassy and Debuchy made a dash for the ball. Meanwhile, Mertesacker had plenty of time to get over and cover in case Guirassy tried a shot. I can’t stress this enough: Mertesacker was perfectly placed to stop any weak cross/shot that was going to come from Guirassy if he found a miracle and was able to control.

But that was NEVER the plan. The plan was to take a touch and go down. You can actually see it if you slow down the action – I’ll break my own rule against images to show you:

Here he has hatched his plan (note that Mertesacker is always in perfect position):

Here he wins the touch, why Debuchy is even challenging for the ball is a mystery. Guirassy wins his touch and…

His right ankle breaks. You can see that maybe Debuchy touches Guirassy’s left foot but his right foot is already dragging the ground. You see this all the time with forwards, I first pointed it out years ago when Rooney dived to win a penalty against Almunia. It’s really a disgrace and I don’t know why we as football fans put up with this.

And then he crumples, turning his shoulder over to simulate contact.

Note his right leg. It’s always the trailing leg which gives away the dive. They always (and I mean always) drag it on the ground, toe-down like this. It’s a common tactic by forwards and I don’t understand why defenders get sucked in to making contact. I’d love to see a defender start to make this challenge and then just stop short. It would expose this dive for what it is and we would possibly see more yellow cards for diving.

See, so the game was sort of like my cake. All the ingredients were right – if a team sits back like that against you, you probably want to dribble-attack and are probably going to have a lot of crosses – but they just weren’t incorporated quite right and the result was a gloppy mess.

Arsenal take on Burnley this Sunday and they are going to play the exact same way as Köln. So let’s hope Chef Arsene remembers to sift the leavening in with the flour to make something light, fluffy, and delicious.


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  1. It was such painful viewing. I began the season really looking forward to these Europa matches, but I’ve been bored silly or downright frustrated with pretty much all of Arsenal’s performances (the Red Star and Koln games were 180 minutes of my life just completely down the drain).

  2. Great take on the game, Tim. I only saw the second half, but have to say I agree with everything you said.
    A few thoughts:
    1. One thing I’d add about AMN (I agree with you he’s a good prospect, and I’d seriously be considering moving him ahead of both Coq and Elneny in the CM pecking order) is that he clearly isn’t very strong on his left foot, so he looked reluctant to take on his fullback down the left side line (at least in the second half). This is Wenger’s fault for continually playing him there, though I guess we don’t really have anyone else, with both Kola and Nacho in the first team.

    2. I’ve seen Jack get a fair amount of criticism for his performance, and while I think he’s definitely been much better in other games–not much he tried came off for him last night–at least he was trying to make things happen. Giroud to me is the biggest culprit. I love having OG in the squad, but nights like last night make me so thankful he’s no longer anywhere close to our first choice CF. HE IS SO BLOODY IMMOBILE!

    3. Seriously, they both have their uses, but putting Elneny and Coquelin alongside each other just highlights how underwhelming they each are. I’d have started Nelson or Iwobi and put Jack deeper. Pretty frustrated that Arsene apparently suddenly sees him as a number 10 again, after talking about him as a deeper midfielder for years. I think playing as a wide/inside forward in the 3-4-3 doesn’t get the best out of him as he doesn’t have the athleticism or outright pace over distance to get in behind, and it’s also frustrating because I don’t buy for a minute that this is some deeply well thought out decision on Wenger’s part, rather than just him opportunistically trying to fit all his senior backup CM’s together in the 3-4-3. I’ve seen that kind of “jazzer” crowbarring of players into positions too many times before.

    4. Great analysis of the dive (not unlike Sterling’s, in fact), though it makes me all the more surprised that you didn’t think the Watford pen against us was a dive. As I recall, that one was pretty similar to last night’s.

    1. except for that scorpion kick, Giroud has been pretty poor this season. Only player having a worse one is Theo. Shifting these 2 would not affect much but we could still end up getting some nice dough.

  3. “Arsenal take on Burnley this Sunday and they are going to play the exact same way as Köln. So let’s hope Chef Arsene remembers to sift the leavening in with the flour to make something light, fluffy, and delicious”
    A different starting eleven might help. Here’s hoping for a Ramsey Hattrick!!

  4. I remember Ox withdrew from such a challenge during the FA cup against City last season and Sterling (was it him?) was left with an egg on his face.

  5. All good points, Tim.
    The only problem with the analysis of this particular play from our viewing angle is that we don’t see the upper body contact between both players.

    The nature of Debuchy tackle( you don’t make the play on the ball at full speed without making some upper body contact with the attacker first, otherwise you yourself become off balance and go down), and the shape of Guirassy’s shirt which is distorted , suggests Debuchy’s right arm and elbow is planted into the Colone striker’s mid drift.

    The referee has a better view of the play as he’s directly behind the action.

    Whether there was enough contact for Guirassy to go down is irrelevant and I hope Arsene is telling his defenders something different from what he’s saying in his pressers.

    Like you said, Debuchy doesn’t need to make the tackle and that’s the key take away from this.

    You had Koscielny/Lewandowski pen, then the Monreal/Sterling pen, and now Debuchy/Guirassy pen , all three in different competitions. At some point you have to stop complaining , or at least while you do complain, also adjust your play at the back accordingly.
    If you keep making the same sort of challenges and keep getting penalized for them the same way , it becomes your responsibility to reevaluate your defending.

  6. Post match thoughts:

    – Burnley played very well but we pressed them higher in the second half and it eventually paid off

    – The penalty decision was a good call and I thought Lee Mason made the right calls pretty much the whole game

    – Mustafi had another MOTM type performance. This is encouraging.

    – Our level went up by half a gear after Wilshere came on though I think some of that was due to Burnley’s level dropping off around the same time

    – Our attitude was excellent today. This was the type of game we would have lost earlier in the season. We kept our defensive focus on the first half and stepped up the pressure on the second half. Very professionally done . Wenger always talks about consistency. Let’s hope we find some now. We won two difficult games in a row. We now have what we need to build some momentum.

  7. You just answered Tim’s question as to why we the football fans put up with diving.
    Clearly, Ramsey had every right to flop , and it’s exactly what it was if you look at it in a slow motion replay.

    Burnley can have no complains thoughts,at least not with the ref or the Arsenal player.
    You make a stupid play like that as a defender and you deserve what’s coming your way.

    It’s not Ramsey’ job to make an effort to stay on his feet.

  8. Both hands in the back – no doubt.
    Did Ramsey embellished? Not a doubt in my mind.

    Maybe Tim can do a forensic analysis how to spot an exaggerated fall from a push in the back. Like flailing arms and kicked out feet for example 🙂

    Also, why would the defender fall down after Ramsey if he shoved him hard enough for Ramsey to fall in such a dramatic fashion.
    Maybe the scientists on here can conform this – something about Newton’s third law.

    My take on it is this: Ramsey feels both of defender’s hands on his back and he makes the most of it. Good for him and Arsenal , I say.
    By the letter of the law it’s a penalty, no matter what the Burnley camp might say about.

    Did he make the most of it? Not a doubt in my mind.

    1. Considering he was feeling his neck while walking off, maybe you’re being harsh on Ramsey?

      Monreal committed a similar foul early in the game, but the Burnley guy was offside. Hector should have had a penalty earlier, though I can understand why the ref didn’t see that one. It was all a little weird in how that went down. Almost like in slow motion. This one, as I see it, there is no need to talk about letter of the law or anything. It was a clear, and really a stupid foul.

      1. Whiplash?
        No argument here regarding the validity of the call, however.
        The only reason I brought up the possibility of exaggerating the push by Ramsey, is because there’s been a running theme on here of attackers making defenders’ mistakes look worse by going to ground easily, and I think this one fits in that category.

        If it was Koscielny making that challenge in the last minute of the game, Arsene’s response might’ve been a bit different.
        Perhaps something along the lines;
        “It was a silly challenge but I think the Burnley player knows what he’s doing”

        1. ‘Harsh on Ramsey’?
          That implies I’m disappointed in his conduct,when the opposite is true.
          I want Arsenal players to always take advantage of situations like this one.
          Make the defender pay for his bad judgment.
          What rewards did Rodriguez get for his honesty when he was brought down by Mustafi?
          Not even a token pat on the back from Arsene Wenger , who, instead talked about some crazy advantage to WBA on the play.

        2. Ramsey was halfway into jumping and trying to nod the ball on. I don’t think whiplash is all that doubtful in such a scenario. Obviously it wasn’t a violent push, but it was strong enough. I think you’re wrong about exaggerating the foul there though.

          Wenger isn’t paid nor expected to be balanced. The refs and the media on the other hand….. Or maybe not.

          By the way, I was annoyed that Welbeck didn’t get the free kick when he was running through and lost his balance as a result of a foul, and fell over late. It’s stuff like that that promotes diving or ‘going down easy’. He got punished for trying to stay on his feet.

          1. ‘Ramsey was halfway into jumping and trying to nod the ball on. I don’t think whiplash is all that doubtful in such a scenario. Obviously it wasn’t a violent push, but it was strong enough. I think you’re wrong about exaggerating the foul there though.’

            Perhaps, but there’s a picture in “the Mirror” with Ramsey’s arms and legs spread eagle like.
            Maybe that’s just how he falls when shoved in the back.

    2. There’s a difference between
      1) “Making the most of it”
      2) Diving (which is cheating)

      Of course, you can get contact and it still be a dive. Dragging your foot behind you, as Tim showed the Koln forward doing, is a clear sign that you’re falling down anticipating contact, rather than as a result of it (and not because you’re trying to get out of the way), and therefore it’s a dive. Ramsey doesn’t do this, but it could still be a dive (as one or two of Ashley Barnes’s flops when touched from behind were). I honestly don’t think we can tell, even with the benefit of the replays, if Ramsey’s fall was:
      a) a dive
      b) making the most of it (i.e. received enough contact to unfairly push him out of position and maybe even lose his balance completely, but also then reacted to it by falling dramatically to make sure the official saw it)
      c) just genuinely being shoved to the ground (the arms flailing was the only thing I can say was definitely over-dramatic)

      I think the balance of evidence suggests it was b), which you and I both agree means the penalty was correct. But that’s very different than what the chap in midweek did, or (more controversially) what Richarlison and Sterling did.
      The key difference, in my mind, is that those other cases involved beginning to fall over before/while receiving (minimal) contact and/or throwing their body into the Arsenal player in an unnatural way designed to provoke contact. This is the new breed of diving: not just falling over when you haven’t, or have barely, been touched, but throwing your legs into the opponent’s stride and/or dragging your feet so it looks like it’s the defender’s fault that you’ve gone down when in fact the defender has down nothing illegal (just run in a straight line, basically, with nowhere else to put their legs) and it’s your own fault. The refs need to pick up on this at some point (Eden Hazard is an absolute master of this sort of cheating, by the way). Tim is right to point out the dragging of the toe along on the ground as a key giveaway: if you’re dragging your toe along the ground then you’re clearly intending to fall over. Go back and look at how Sterling does this too–it’s very clever.

      Ramsey and Barnes’s falling over was more of the “old-fashioned kind”: just going over when the contact suggests it was less than necessary to do so. But in the Ramsey case a) it’s really tough to tell how much the contact was, even on replays, and b) it was arguably enough to make it a foul whether or not it was enough for him to fall over.

      1. Barnes’ falling over at the slightest contact was annoying, no doubt.
        And I also agree Bellerin could’ve had a penalty in the 67th minute , although to call it a blatant one is a stretch, since his little dink failed to clear the defender and the ball is just bubbling around while the contact is being made.

        I’m really surprised to see you lump all the other ones in the same category though.
        Sterling / Monreal – a defenetly right call.
        Richarlison and Guirassy’s are virtually a carbon copy of each other and I have no problem with either. They both went down easy but the defender initiated contact.

        The worst I can say for Tim here is that he’s being inconsistent calling one a clear dive and the other a clear pen.
        I fail to see a single distinguishing factor that makes these two different.

        Hazard didn’t invent the “hang my leg out for contact” ploy and it can be hardly called new.
        Bobby Pires did it for Arsenal and other players for other clubs before him.

        The penalty controversy is as old as football itself and not about to change any time soon.
        Half of penalty calls can be interpreted by biased fans , pundits, and managers to their liking and they routinely are.

        1. Oh come on. Robert Pires? Apart from that one Portsmouth one that is routinely brought up, how many penalties did Pires ‘win’ for Arsenal? To suggest that Pires was a cheat is rubbish of the Daily Mail order. Hanging/kicking his leg out to dive was, in my memory, popularised by Ashley Young.

          And no, the Monreal on Sterling was not a clear penalty. Richarlison was a clear dive. I watched the game later, and knew there was a dodgy penalty awarded for them, but I wasn’t even worried when that happened, as it was a clear dive and I assumed the ‘controversy’ must mean that it was some other play. Welbeck was fouled prior to that (outside the box and continuing inside) but no penalty, and no ‘controversy’.

          Agree that a lot comes down to interpretation. But much of it doesn’t have to. It is simply perpetuated by poorly educated and/or biased media pundits, and the authorities actually like keeping Joe Public in the dark. No reason they can’t release sample videos of what is and what is not to be interpreted as a foul to give us a consistent baseline to judge against.

          And then there’s the FA. There is no way an honest, fair, and capable FA panel can look at that Lukaku kick out and say that doesn’t deserve a ban. But $$$$.. And so we must endure.

          I just realised. Apparently we outfouled Burnley 14-8 in the match yesterday. Thankfully one of those 8 was a correctly called penalty.

          1. Relax, Shard, no one is saying he was a cheat.
            Your sensitivity of all things Arsenal is dangerously high.
            I simply pointed out that it was done before by other players , that’s all.
            Forgive me for declining the invite to discuss the pens with you, however. No offense, but your Arsenal bias is just a bit too much for any logical debate.
            You routinely gloss over any calls going our way , while magnifying the ones going against us.

          2. Shard, I don’t think Welbeck’s against Watford was a foul, but I’d have to go back and look at it again.

            Tom, I can just about allow there’s room for debate with respect to Sterling’s penalty, but if you don’t at least think it was questionable, then you and I have very different interpretations of what should constitute a penalty. In real time I thought it was probably a pen, but in the replays all but one of them look like it’s an obviously fair shoulder-to-shoulder challenge, and the one replay that suggests Monreal may have tripped him up also suggests (to me) that Sterling stuck his leg into Monreal’s stride, then dragged his leg unnaturally to create the appearance of a foul. It’s obviously a very difficult matter to articulate in language–maybe an impossible task–what exactly should count as a foul and what should count as a dive in that sort of situation, since there’s also a perfectly legitimate way to “provoke” a genuine foul by shielding the ball and waiting for the contact. But all I can say (beyond what I already have about dragging a foot and sticking one’s leg into a defenders stride) is I think I know the difference when I see it, and to my eyes, what Sterling did was illegitimate. Granted, it’s very subtle, so it’s understandable that the ref missed it, except I think Wenger’s right that professional refs need to practice noticing that sort of “clever” play from attackers and not being fooled by it.

  9. Mason had a decent enough game, and didn’t (for a change) issue even one card to Arsenal. Re the two penalty incidents, I thought the one involving Bellerin the more likely, but was satisfied with the one we got.
    Burnley are a decent team and not where they are by chance, and Dyche’s opinion that the big teams get the breaks does hold some water. I like the guy, he deserves some breaks.
    Was watching on a stream & following the live thread on Untold. They are really, really weird on that blog.

  10. I thought we played well, without being scintillating. But it’s hard to keep any sort of momentum going when there’s time wasting and roughhouse tactics all the way through. I know Burnley are the little guys and as such deserve some sympathy but I can’t say I feel very gracious towards them based on how they play the game. They were pushing and shoving us all the time, and the ref would blow up for a foul if we did the same. Very frustrating to watch, and I think the players did well to cope with it. Of course the second half was much better with us pushing higher and moving the ball faster. Plus with Burnley’s energy levels flagging, I guess all it needed was a loss of concentration from them. That it came right at the end, and took the form of a penalty will cause them much pain, but Arsenal got a deserved victory.

    PS> What do the media mean when they call a decision ‘controversial’?

  11. Posted this earlier on Arseblog. What did you think of Coq’s performance?

    Coq’s numbers suggest he was quite all right, mostly defensively. He had Arsenals most tackles (three out of four, El Neny had one, same for Jack), two interceptions (only Mertesacker had five, no other midfielder had even one) and also won an aerial duel. Offensively, he had 98 passes (second only to Holding, same as El Neny), of which an immense 69 forward and 39 in the final third! Despite playing mostly forward and into the final third he had an pass succes rate of 92%. Yes, his dribbling looked awful but I don’t think he deserves that much worse than El Neny.

  12. If, on a high ball, backing into a defender and then flopping to the ground with any contact is a foul then surely putting two hands on a guys back and pushing him is a foul and a penalty.

    And regardless of the validity of Ramsey’s penalty, Bellerin should’ve had a penalty called earlier in the game. So fine, if you believe that Ramsey didn’t draw a penalty then it’s two sh*tty calls–a penalty not given for Bellerin, and Ramsey getting a penalty when he shouldn’t have. Personally, I think it was only one sh*tty call so great job Lee Mason.

  13. 1. We missed Ozil, specifically his composure in the final third. Alexis, Ramsey, Iwobi, and Lacazette (and even Jack when he came on) all had their moments offensively, but too often we made sloppy passes, or just plain picked the wrong options, when we got in good positions, especially in the first half, when their high press meant there was a decent amount of space around their back four when we broke the press and got forward quickly.
    Composure in possession is an extremely underrated quality in football (that all of Pep’s players magically have it, even the average English ones, suggests it can be coached). Of course, we gotta give Burnley credit for their organization and high-energy pressing, but many of our mistakes weren’t ones where their smothering left our player with no good option (short of becoming a Messi or Cazorla and producing terrific skill); rather, it was more a case of their defense doing enough to throw our player off his rhythm and do something a bit sloppy.

    2. They’re a good side. As much as I like Silva management, I honestly wasn’t much impressed with Watford when we lost to them (ditto Stoke; even moreso). But Burnley gave us a proper match, including playing some nice stuff on the ground. One advantage they had was their three in midfield, compared to our 1.5. Are we going to persist with this formation until the end of the season or until something goes disastrously wrong, Arsene? (The answer is yes, obviously.)

    3. On a related note, our “press” was about a million times worse than last week.

    4. All that being said, I’m proud of our team (minus the braindead low percentage shots/crosses, largely from defenders). A good, battling performance.

    5. I’m not much for schadenfreude: I get way more pleasure out of, e.g., an easy, stylish win against a hopeless Everton than I do out of a scrappy, somewhat lucky win against a plucky Burnley, no matter how orc-like their fans are.
    Still, I gotta say, after Ashley Barnes spent the game falling over at the merest touch in his back, Robbie Brady was incredibly lucky to escape BOTH another yellow in the first half and a penalty in the second, and their fans constantly bayed at the ref and our players in the most animalistic and hypocritical way possible, the poetic justice of getting that last minute penalty was oh so sweet.

  14. A bit off topic but I’d read a BBC feature on Valencia’s turnaround and they seem to credit the fact that Marcelino was brought in and allowed to have final say on transfers. They also talked about bringing a change in culture along with the personnel. Seems a lot like an ‘outdated’ model to me that’s working well.

    Not that Arsenal are like Valencia, but I think there’s a little more to the whole ‘football model’ thing. I tend to cringe whenever people just assume Arsenal are behind the times. It depends on situations, and having a model that is both robust yet flexible enough to deal with different circumstances is the challenge. Usually, this is easier done through changes in personnel and personalities, but of course that isn’t usually the best method.

    Someone or the other will now get annoyed about me defending Wenger. The truth is I defend him from what I feel are usually one sided and unjustified attacks. In this case though, it’s not about Wenger. It’s about the organisation of Arsenal, and personally, I think they have a more dynamic organisation than most other clubs, rather than the ossification they are accused of feeling simply due to the manager’s age and length of tenure.

  15. PFo said “Eden Hazard is an absolute master of this sort of cheating, by the way”

    Tom said “Hazard didn’t invent the “hang my leg out for contact” ploy and it can be hardly called new. Bobby Pires did it for Arsenal and other players for other clubs before him”

    But NO ONE is implying that Pires was a cheat and it’s only my bias.

    Well, don’t debate the penalties. I was simply putting it out there that what you call ‘definitely right’ isn’t, in fact, necessarily so. If I question your bias and ability to process information that would make me right, right?

  16. @PFO

    ” I don’t think Welbeck’s against Watford was a foul, but I’d have to go back and look at it again”

    I don’t remember being outraged by a lack of penalty, though I did appeal to the TV screen, but it was ‘more’ a foul than the one on Richarlison.

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