In the comments, pick the next manager for Arsenal.
Rules:
- You only get to pick one. I don’t want you posting 6 different times either. Just one post.
- You may always reply to other people’s posts.
- You have to give reasons why you pick this one.
- The reasons CAN be emotional.
- What is the first thing this new manager will do?
Leonardo Jardim
Reasons
Tactically fluid. Plays attractive and result oriented football depending on the occasion. Works with young players. Can work with budget constraints.
First thing he will have to do
Probably brush up on his English.
If the first thing has to be something football related then
Simply work with the senior and young players who are not going to the World cup.
I would like to believe that our players can be improved through some hands on coaching. So before we decide to let some of them go they should be given the chance to prove themselves.
I will entrust the first window to Raul Sanllehi and Mislintat. GK would be my priority.
Agreed.Jardim Please. For the reasons above.
Although PSG beat them down to their essence the other week. (7-1) which scared me off him for a day or two.
But yeah, going by Gazidis’s metrics, Jardims my man
I would like to go with Jardim as well. Pragmatic and will adopt tactics based upon the team. Bloods youth and has European pedigree. Punches above weight despite selling best players.
If the board do not announce anything this week, I suspect that the next manager is with another team currently.
The first thing that this manager will do is purchase some midfielders.
Assuming that I can have anyone regardless of availability, I would go for someone with genuine passion about the game, but also a no nonsense approach to coaching. Diego Simeone.
Simeone is too big for Gazidis & co. to control. Plus no English.
Agreed – and unless there’s a massive amount of buy-in to his style from the players, it threatens to go very Mourinho-in-Manchester very quickly.
If we’re inclined to take a risk, we could do much worse than Maurizio Sarri – fluid, attacking philosophy allied with a well-coached full-team press and low tolerance for fools and slackers. Plus he’s not a chequebook manager, which would align well with our natural stinginess.
First thing he should do – Convince Koulibaly and Jorginho to follow him… ironic, I admit, but we need the reinforcements.
Allegri
Tactically astute and flexible, used to handling big names, used to managing a big club with big expectations. Can attract and retain talent to the club and bring stability for the next few years.
Mikel Arteta
– the Arsenal captain that help steady the ship right after toxic departure of Nasri, Cesc, RvP
– was the captain when we broke the trophy drought
– loves Arsenal and Arsenal fans love him back
– well respected among players
– had experience playing in multiple different leagues under different coaches
– learnt from both Wenger and Pep
– few city players spoke highly of him
– it always gonna be a mess replacing Titan like wenger so why not risk it further by having Captain Legohair
– maybe he can lure Xabi Alonso the be coach here too
First thing to be done : secure Ramsey’s contract
Arteta? Not enough (any) managerial experience, maybe next time.
Pep Guardiola had none too!
I’ve heard that Arteta’s teammates at Arsenal didn’t really like him, and would not want to work with him. Not sure if that’s true, and, in any case, there aren’t many left now (though it might see Ramsey leave).
I’ve never heard anything like that. On the contrary, the consistent impression I’ve got is that he’s admired and respected throughout football. Where did you hear/read it?
Pretty sure it was on an Arsecast a few months ago. My failing memory suggests it was Auclair.
Auclair said today that Wenger is really angry about this whole thing, and his friends at PSG have already made contact with him.
Never been the top guy, at any level. Can’t start off with Arsenal – needs to get his footing with a smaller team first.
Personally, I find it frustratingly simplistic to dismiss Arteta out of hand simply because he doesn’t have top level managerial experience. Obviously it’d be a HUGE risk, but sometimes risks pay off hugely.
Yeah. This! I love Arteta. I would be very willing to see how it works out. It’s impossible to determine from the outside whether he’s ready but Arsenal should definitely interview him and take it from there.
Also, Arteta as manager, with Mertesacker as academy manager makes me go all giggly. What better way to build on Wenger’s legacy.
Ok, so now I’m thinking Arteta is my second choice. I’m happy with the idea of a young head coach basically, who fits into the culture of the club and causes minimal disruption (while bringing their own ideas obviously)
My concern with him is that a)we don’t know what his ideas are. b)There is the possibility that he knows the club TOO WELL, and so may not be a clean, fresh start.
But I think Arsenal should interview him.
That’s a good point about him maybe knowing the club too well.
He might be a great choice but I think what we probably need is someone without ties to the current team so we can start with a clean slate and not a feeling that we’re in any way in for ‘more of the same’ or a ‘continuation of the recent past’ if that makes sense.
But we don’t know anything about his own ideas, his own systems. He may have apprenticed under Pep, but does that mean he believes in, say, possession first football? Is he a pragmatist? Playing for Moyes and Wenger may have exposed him to a variety of playing styles and coaching methods… but which ones does he buy into himself?
This whole thing with Arteta is mystifying to me, an over-romantic elevation of our ex-captain. I’ve never heard him discuss football tactics publicly. I’ve never heard that he’s breaking bread with managers all over Europe to pick their brains. For all we know Pep hands him a sheet of paper the morning of and Mikel walks around setting up the cones. I would make the same argument about Henry. At least Vieira is in NY, testing his ideas and philosophies. But we cannot take a flyer on Arteta. If you want a young and bold choice it’s got to be Nagelsmann or Tedesco.
He’s actually got a wide range of footballing experience. Early years at Barca, then with PSG, before moving to Rangers in Scotland, and finally England(Via Real Sociedad)
He’s obviously a natural leader and has the personality, and he’s evidently got a knack for the tactical stuff. Just because we don’t know what his exact tactics are is neither here nor there. I am confident that his philosophy would be attacking and possession oriented.
Question is whether he’s ready to be the main man. Of course it would be better if we knew he was. But I still think the club should interview him and if they like his ideas, he could get the job. Basically the same profile. A young head coach who fits the culture of the club. Just one who the wider public has literally no idea about. Doesn’t mean the guys making the call (Sanhelli, Mislintat, Gazidis) wouldn’t know.
I knew people were in love with the lego hair, but yeah, some of these comments about him are a bit much. Yes Arteta has done coaching badges and word has gotten out that he’s able to communicate what ideas he does have.
But some of this talk is somewhere between a cult of personality and nepotism. There are managers all over Europe who are far more deserving of such a prestige position, like Marcelino at Valencia and Lucien Favre at Nice who I don’t think have been mentioned here yet.
I’m not saying “give him the job” or even “he must be on the shortlist,” but only that the outright dismissal of him is close-minded (akin to dismissing Low simply because he “lacks top club experience,” while we’re at it). Normally I’m against the idea of appointing popular ex-players as managers, but I think he’s different based on the regard in which he’s held by many. Of course we don’t know what his specific strengths/tactics would be (though we could make some decent guesses, and I bet they’d fit pretty well with Arsenal), but what matters is that the people who rate him clearly do know these things.
Obviously, I could be overselling how highly people rate him. That’s a factual question admitting a concrete answer but I can’t remember all the evidence I’ve seen over the years suggesting his high reputation, only that it’s come from many places over a long period. I can point to what I wrote below: not only did Pep and Wenger offer him a job, but so too did Pochettino.
Arsene Wenger said Vieira might make a good candidate *in the future*. And that’s a proper Arsenal legend who’s already started his managerial career.
Anyone with a decent knowledge of how coaches around Europe have raised the bar in playing styles and genuinely understands how big the Arsenal job is and the threat we face from our rivals is not wasting time on this thread trying to boost Arteta.
Arteta: no elite pedigree as a player, no experience as a manager. No character, no natural authority, not an Arsenal legend. No evidence whatsoever he would do a good job. There is literally nothing going for him except his hair and an appeal to the “intellectual” pretensions of hipster Arsenal fans. I find the clamour for Arteta to be ludicrously self-indulgent, and morally and intellectually repugnant.
Morally and intellectually repugnant? WTF?
The only part of your evaluation (Read: dismissal) of him that is relevant is that he has no experience as a manager. Some parts are patently wrong. No character or natural authority? When he was the stabilising influence and a natural leader of the team even though he was a recent arrival? No evidence in his favour, even though three top flight managers thought he was good enough to contribute to their backroom staff, indicating he does indeed have a keen football mind?
Yeah I get you don’t want an unproven manager. There are huge challenges to taking over any managerial job, let alone a club as big as Arsenal that we, on the outside, don’t know if he’s ready for. Arteta is not an ideal candidate. But, to suggest that anyone who thinks he deserves a mention is only pretending to be an intellectual for kicks is rude, and purposely obtuse, as is pretending that there’s a ‘clamour’ for him.
Oh, and the first thing he would do is give the entire squad a kick up the Khyber.
Carlo Ancelotti. I thought about what happened with Man Utd post ferguson. Ancelotti has the experience both in europe and the premier league. He has great contacts around europe and his name can attact talent. He’s tactically expert and won’t let us fall behind 4. The first thing he has to do is make defense stable, and he has done it before. The uncertainty will be reduced and would make the behind doors management easier.
Ancelotti would not be a “bold” pick nor a “new path forward” as Gazidis described their direction in choosing a new manager.
Yes I agree. We need stability for a year or two before we take a risk on the young hot-shots, and I think he can give us that as well as a return to competitiveness.
Simeone
Never happening. I’d like him but he has no reason to leave Atletico and he hates the English.
He was about to leave Atletico last summer. Was convinced to stay for at least 1st season in new stadium. Spanish press think he will leave sooner rather than later.
Chelsea. If he moves to England, that’s where he’ll end up.
Inter. That’s where his heart is.
Yeah, don’t think Simeone wants to leave Southern Europe.
To be honest, we are spoilt for choice. 3-4 years ago I recall how people said Owen Coyle or Roberto Martinez would be good choices, however, now you have a long list of experienced as well as tactically astute Laptop Managers available. I guess there’s no one ideal candidate, kind of depends on the clubs priorities.
Personally my choice would be Massimiliano Allegri. I think Arsenal at this juncture don’t need a Manager who can incorporate flair but someone who can bring in a winning mentality and also have Big Game Management skills. Someone who is experienced and can steady the ship. Because at this point Arsenal have reached a stage where we are probably the worst of the top 6 clubs and a wrong move could see us embrace mid-table oblivion for the foreseeable future. Allegri would shake things up, bring in that winning mentality and help us compete against the best in Europe. I think he could do what Jose Mourinho did for Chelsea when he first joined them
I agree, Allegri is the right man for Arsenal at this point. We also have to tkae into account that no big name manager would want to join a club, where silvareware is not realistically attainable within 2-3 years at maximum. Arsenal have a strong squad, especially going forward, so with a few astute additions at the back and centre a capable manager should be able to aim for the title pretty soon.
Ancelotti with Vieira as assistant:
– CA’s experience and success at highest levels of English and European football
– Combined with PV’s burgeoning experience and legendary status at Arsenal
– the duo would attract top players and provide the necessary change without destabilising the club
Julian Nagelsmann.
Why?
With all the infrastructure finally in place at the club, we just need a coach, not a manager.
Nagelsmann is young but he’s highly rated in Germany. He admires Arsène Wenger & Pep Guardiola, so you know you’ll get silky, exciting football.
Our squad is good but I think there’s a mini-rebuild to be done at Arsenal. And Nagelsmann has shown his tactical nous at Hoffenheim; first saving them from almost-certain relegation then guiding them to CL places the very next season.
By hiring Nagelsmann, we’ll guarantee that the fans don’t have outlandish expectations for next season, while still challenging for the Top4 positions and continuing to rebuild the squad. Oh, adhering to Arsène’s/Arsenal’s values and playing good attacking football, too. 🙂
Underpromise and overdeliver.
Julian Nagelsmann strikes me as what Wenger was 22 yrs ago. Innovative, bold, a thinker about tactics and how to set up his teams to get the best out of the players he has. He young (30), he’s an admirer of Pep, Rangnick (the gegenpress guru) and Tuchel. He’s also done more with ‘less’ at Hoffenheim than Jardem has done with Monaco this year.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/julian-nagelsmann-10-things-on-hoffenheim-best-young-coach-in-germany-473225.jsp
I like Ancelotti but he is the wrong age, at the wrong time and in the wrong place for where Arsenal want to go. Plus when the Italian National Team comes calling, he is at the age where that would be more attractive offer.
Arsenal being a big club as such should not hand the reins over to an Arteta who needs to pay his dues at a smaller club. Vieira at this stage of his coaching career should also not be in the running since NY Red Bulls pretty much own his NY City FC.
I’m also not sold on Enrique just because he’s been touched by Barcelona.
I’m agreed on Nagelsmann. He’s young, he’d be a bet and he could both be given room to succeed and not face major recriminations if he failed.
More importantly, while we need more of a tactician than Wenger’s free flowing non-tactical style, I don’t think we have a squad that would work with a negative tactician like Benitez or Allegri. And our stars matter. I don’t want to see a coach come in and try to shoehorn Mesut Ozil into a deeply defensive system that can’t accommodate a true 10.
We need someone whose focus is on an aggressive attack, built around our stars (in particular, Ozil and Aubameyang). The Hoffenheim 3-1-4-2 has more parts that fit with our current talent, as well as with the obvious shopping needs for our transfer business (CB, DM, CM). We might not be too far from the sort of team that Nagelsmann could do very well with.
Jardim for me as well. His teams are hard to beat (or were, whenever I watched Monaco), so they are sound defensively while also possessing exciting attacking talent. When people talk about the next manager preserving the values of Arsenal, I think of a commitment to entertain fans while also developing young players. Jardim does both, and, in the latter especially, has proven that he can actually get the best out of developing players, something Wenger hasn’t been able to do for a while. I also think the job presents a nice upward trajectory for Jardim (arguable, I guess…), and we get a neat little Monaco connection preserved.
In addition, no other manager really seems plausible or desirable to me. Simeone and Allegri, I don’t think either would want the job. Vieira is an unknown and, like Arteta, the opportunity comes too soon anyway. Rodgers and Benitez would be instantly divisive amongst fans, while Low and (surprisingly, given I was an early champion of his) Ancelotti fill me with feelings of boredom.
Also, I’m surprised that Tuchel’s name continues to be thrown in the mix (not here, necessarily, but in news sites) despite it being the worst kept secret that he’s signed for PSG.
Oh, and first thing to do: goalkeeper. Then a CB and DM.
Allegri
I just want someone with bags of experience (especially in the CL) and tactical nous. I think what we need most right now is someone to teach our players how organize themselves on the pitch and I am certain this is the first thing he would do. I am not sure about his record with youth players but I think it will benefit the youngsters too. Far too many of them have been trained in Wenger’s laissez faire sytle.
A lot of people think he won’t leave Juventus for us and maybe that’s true but the more I think about it, the more I tend to disagree. I think the Arsenal job is going to be one of the most coveted ones. Unfortunately I don’t think we will go for him as listening to Gazidis, it seemed to me we want someone who values our style of play. That would rule out a lot of the Italian managers or someone like Diego Simeone.
Domenico Tedesco.
Young and talented coach that looks destined for a stellar career. Our Pocchetino, our (young) Klopp. Get him now before he get enough seasoning to attract the mega clubs in a few years.
First thing he will do is find himself an assistant who knows the Premier League and knows Arsenal. Enter an ex-player; Jens, Pires, Freddie.
That’s an interesting one. I’ve heard a number of people mention him as the ideal replacement, but I confess I know zero about him or his Schalke team.
I do lament that we missed out on Klopp…
Can we offer Liverpool £40 m and 1 for Klopp ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgcSIZTqcI
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/domenico-tedesco-schalke-bundesliga-polyglot-jurgen-klopp-christian-heidel-a8247596.html
I like this suggestion. I can see the club going for someone like him or Nagelsmann if they can’t get Jardim (who is probably going to be number one on our radar)
He’s very new thoguh, it’s hiss first season in the top flight and Schalke are not really easy on the eyes. I’ll paste what I worte in the other blog:
I wouldn’t go overboard with tedesco, it’s his first season with in the top flight and the step up to a top club comes way too soon. He’s doing a good job with Schalke but that’s still a long way to go to taking over Arsenal.
There’s a good potrait of Nagelsmann in the Guardian Buli column (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/23/hoffenheim-nagelsmann-desirable-bundesliga-roundup) but he’s probably also going for a smaller step by going to Dortmund e.g. or maybe even staying.
Unfortunately, I don’t see Dortmund as a smaller step than Arsenal at this point. If he’s a serious contender for Dortmund then he should get a look by Gazidis and co.
Dortmund is german though. There seems to be a underappreciation for how big the step abroad actually is.
He would also be a good choice. Another bright young coaching mind, fluent in 5 languages, top of his coaching badge class and has worked with young players.
Don’t care who it is.
The evaluation process of Arsenal players is the first thing he will do.
It’s not something that’s going to happen overnight and it’s not something that can happen just from viewing the tapes.
He might request a player or two to be brought in immediately but the core of the squad will get a chance to make an impression and possibly keep, or elevate their position in the team.
There are points and wins within this group of players beyond what the have shown , ready to be unlocked just by giving them a proper structure.
Joachim Low
We need a manager who will be able to build a team around Ozil’s strengths and organise the midfield and defence to minimise his weaknesses.
Another benefit is his knowledge of the German player market and his influence might get us 1st pick on the best young players in the national setup.
Per moving into a coaching role will make it easier for him to adapt.
If we find a way to ship Ozil out this summer I would not weep. We shouldn’t be building a team around a 29 year old Goldilocks player.
If Low can organise the defensive structure maybe Ozil can be less exposed defensively. I don’t have an issue with his age as City just won the league with a 32 year old David Silva.
There must be a reason Ozil signed a 3 year contract when he could have left on a free in a few months. I think Low is coming
I think Ozil signed because he saw that none of the big teams were interested in him and he wasn’t going to get 350k/week anywhere else. And he probably thought Wenger was sticking around. The Wenger decision was probably very recent (and reluctant).
A lot of manager prospects will see Ozil as a bit of a tactical passenger.
Bingo
I would be saddened to see Ozil move on, but he is expensive and may not be the player a new coach wants to build around. You could make an argument that with Mikhi, Ramsey and Ozil there is a lot of overlap in skills/type of player. Selling some offensive players gives us money to reinforce our dreadful CB and GK situation.
With all due respect LA, if anyone thinks there is a lot of overlap in skills/type of player between Ozil and Ramsey (Mikhi is maybe a different story), they know very little about this sport.
Though occupying similar spaces on the pitch, they are basically polar opposites (though pretty complimentary, which is nice).
PFO – with all due respect, if you can’t see similarities in their roles in the attack, you have not watched the team. All attack minded midfielders -2 of whom get stick for shirking defensive responsiblities. Playmakers who score. They roam and fill the same spaces. Not the fastest guys, but all have skills and vision. Yes, they are different stylistically. Yes, Ramsey is box to box – supposedly, but how do you not see similarities among the 3?
Ozil’s not gonna be moved on. No one would pay those wages when they had the chance to get him for free. Might as well try to keep him happy and try to get the best out of him ( which is not to say we should build the team around him).
I genuinely think Ozil can still be a huge positive in a team that’s more organized and has some structure.
Zidane.
A style based on giving players freedom lends itself better as a transition from Wenger than some alternatives. But his man management will bring out the best in our players, no more listless starts.
First thing he would do is headbutt Bould and tell him he’s fired (I kid, probably a sit down with each player about their aspirations and his vision for them)
My favourite suggestion and who I’d go for if I was Arsenal owner. Really love the way Zidane organises that team and he hasn’t spent that much since he was appointed.
LEONARDO JARDIM
The reason being he develops youngsters and has won the league playing exciting football against P$G. And has quite a solid defensive record apart from that recent hammering. Also, young enough. So, he’d be my pick.
Julian Nagelsmann
Brought hoffenheim to the brink of relegation to the champions league with a really small budget. playing exciting counter attacking football and currently sitting 3rd in bundasliga securing champions league next season. The most talented young tactician in European football today. Just imagine what he can do with some money in a club like Arsenal.
Feel that Mikel Arteta is ready. Has insights to City’s strategic mindset. Recent Arsenal DNA. Has learned at the knee of Pep and by playing for Arsene. Two of the best ever.
The club (regardless of the hue and cry from without) are not entirely ready.
Give the new backroom team the requisite time to complete the rebuild without the pressures on incoming personnel from a new, big-name manager.
Arteta for a year. Could be great.
If not, still a ‘no-lose’ scenario.
jw1
How can Arteta be ready after two seasons at City, but our backroom team who actually have pedigree working with the biggest clubs in Spain and Germany aren’t ready? Also there’s no such thing as a no-lose year. Players don’t have a year to waste working under experimental managers.
Why does Arteta get a pass for running off to Man City just because Pep called his name? He wasn’t even a Spanish international. if he had potential we’d have kept at the club. Unless we tried and he left anyway in which case forget about that guy.
1) Never said Sven and Raul weren’t ready. Stated they needed another year to rebuild the team. In terms of personnel. Still many unresolved contract issues as well.
2) ‘Players don’t have a year to waste’. And what if the year goes well under Arteta– or poorly under a big-name? You assume the opposite. A non-starter pub debate really. Love to have beers with you though.
3) IMHO, it was Arsene who pushed him to go to City. Offered him the job here as a courtesy, but lt him know going to City/Pep could fast-track his managerial career. That he’s on Arsenal’s radar makes this scenario a possibility.
jw1
Sven and Raul aren’t ready but they need another year? Lolwhut
And I don’t drink.
Hunh. Maybe your eyesight then?
CLEARLY POSTED TWICE —
THAT IT IS NOT —
THAT SVEN AND RAUL —
AREN’T READY.
DID CLEARLY STATE —
THAT THE REBUILD —
OF THE TEAM —
ISN’T YET COMPLETED.
MEANING,
ANOTHER TRANSFER WINDOW–
OR TWO —
MIGHT BE NEEDED —
TO FINISH —
WHAT WAS STARTED —
LAST JANUARY.
Always willing to assist with deficiencies.
jw1
This makes even less sense in all-caps.
We tried and he left anyway. Because he wanted to do his management apprenticeship under the most well-respected, visionary, innovative manager in world football, who also wanted to work with him. Crazy that.
Btw, I’ve read (I can’t remember where, but it was a reputable place) Arteta was also offered a job on Pochettino’s coaching staff at Spurs. So to recap: that’s City, Spurs, and Arsenal (Pep, Poch, and Arsene) all offering him a place on their coaching staffs as soon as he retired as a player.
That speaks volumes.
I’m not saying his lack of experience is a non-issue, I’m not saying it wouldn’t be a big risk, and I’m not saying he’s my first pick as next manager. But I think the degree to which fans on here are dismissing the idea without serious consideration is simplistic, unadventurous, and short-sighted.
If we were an adventurous club we would have tried to hire Pep or Klopp. You know what kind of club Arsenal are! Let’s not kid ourselves.
There’s no need for that, PFo. One could just as easily counter that a vote for Arteta is short-sighted, simplistic (“oh, well Poch wanted him, so he must be good!”), etc. Some of us would just prefer a manager with some experience, or some record of management, that’s all. There are adventurous options out there that include individuals who are currently managing sides in the top leagues.
Bun, I’m pretty transparently not saying “Poch wanted him so he must be good,” any more than I’m saying “no way no experience.” My point, clearly stated, is that either position is simplistic. If Gazidis et al are seriously considering Arteta, I would assume and hope it’s based on more solid reasons than “he’s mates with x”.
Maybe we’re too in the dark to say with confidence how well he’d do, one way or the other. Come to think of it, we’re mostly in the dark about most of this. We also have very little to go on when assessing how well some of these young up and coming managers around Europe would do at a huge club in England.
I just think if someone chooses Arteta as their choice because they happen to have a sneaking suspicion he’d make a great manager, shutting that down dogmatically with the tried and tested “no experience” response, as if this settles the argument, is unimaginative.
I don’t think it’s unimaginative at all. I think your assessment of people who disagree with you is insulting. It’s not “simplistic” or “unimaginative” to ask that evidence dictates decisions, and in Arteta’s case, it’s a complete guessing game. Seriously, given that you claim to have a philosophy degree, I can’t understand why you felt the need to denigrate opinions that way.
(i.e., denigrate them in a way that offers the same accusation on the return, because none of us are truly informed; except in the case of Arteta, unlike most of the candidates put forth, we can see there’s little to go on to even make a basic speculation about what his management might look like!)
Sigh, and now I remember why I felt I needed to take a break from this website for a while: it’s nearly impossible to have a satisfying conversation with strangers on a comments section, in the midst of the hustle and bustle of regular life, without people (often understandably) misconstruing one’s meaning and/or one failing to adequately articulate one’s thoughts.
I didn’t intend to insult anyone, so apologies. I was trying to respond in defense of the idea that Arteta might be a good darkhorse candidate, NOT against those who wouldn’t pick him or want him on their personal short list–which is fine–but against (what I perceived as) the overly dismissive attitude of some of the critics of the pro-Arteta view above.
Specifically, what I saw as the “Huh?! Arteta would be dumb/crazy!!!” view, seemingly expressed by a number of folks above, where the only defense of this response seemed to boil down to (1) “he doesn’t have experience”, and (2) “you only like him because you love his lego hair!”
Ok, so, I have no idea if you’re still reading this comments thread since it’s been many hours since our earlier posts (another problem with trying to have a conversation here!), but let me try, one more time, to articulate my view.
*ON THE CONDITION THAT* Arteta is as well-regarded in football circles by smart/talented/classy people as I think he is, and all the evidence Gazidis gathers points to Arteta having the intelligence and temperament to put him a cut above other ex-pros, in terms of the potential he has to be a successful manager right away, THEN I think it makes sense for him to be at least seriously considered, in spite of his inexperience.
Obviously, I don’t know if that all-important antecedent to the above conditional is true or not, but the various rumors I’ve read over many years suggests it is true, and, more importantly, Gazidis will be in a position to find out.
Furthermore, IF the above antecedent is true, then I think Arteta would have a lot to offer Arsenal in comparison to other managers we might be considering:
–he’s young, so would have the energy and drive to compete against the other top managers in England and Europe, many/most of whom are on the youthful side too. And could be here for the long haul (obviously he might last only a season, but it’d be nice to at least give us a chance of putting a longterm man in place).
–he’s articulate and thoughtful, classy and charming, by all accounts
–he’s an Arsenal man, both in terms of knowing the club and in terms of exemplifying the “values” of the club that Wenger, Gazidis, et al are always banging on about (see last point)
–we fans don’t *know* what his coaching philosophy would be, but it’s very likely that it would be possession-based and attacking, which Gazidis has already suggested we want to preserve. This is true not only because he worked under Wenger and Pep (how could you be an assistant for this Man City side and not see the immense value of passing the ball well!), but also because of the sort of player he was. In his early days, he was a playmaker, and for us he was a deep-lying quarterback type. Pretty much his entire purpose for being on the pitch was to keep possession in intelligent ways. While it’s possible for an attacking player to become a defensive coach, or vice versa, it’s unlikely. Arteta preaching cautious Pulis-ball would make about as much sense as Simeone or Gattuso preaching laissez-faire, defensively-chaotic Wengerball. Plus, he’s Spanish.
–While Spanish, he’s been in Britain a very long time, and stints at Moyes’s Everton and Glasgow Rangers mean he’s not going to have to adjust to the pace and physicality of English football.
–he’s had the opportunity to learn from the (very different) strengths of Moyes (in his heyday), Wenger, and Pep.
–he would have the respect and affection of the dressing room (unless you’re right that many of our players didn’t like him, which I’ve never heard before).
–this is more speculative, but I think he’d be good with the young players, as I remember stories from his playing days of him giving advice, etc, to youth players breaking through
Ok, so there’s my case. None of the above is to say he’d be my first choice, or that you’re wrong to rule him out of your short-list because of his lack of experience. It’s just to say that it’s not obviously foolish/crazy/stupid/deluded to think he’d make a good manager, or to like the idea of him getting the job *PROVIDED THAT* the circumstantial evidence (the rumors I’ve heard, basically) is right that he’s got the intelligence and temperament to succeed.
I see. Tone is difficult in internetland.
Well, who knows, he may get the job. Though I think the noises about Arteta recently aren’t really based on serious consideration. My feeling is that Gazidis might have mentioned him in that meeting only as an indication that the club is keeping all options on the table, when in reality they have about three candidates they’d like to speak to.
Arsene Wenger.
He’s hungrier than ever.
He knows the club and the players .
He knows the league inside and out.
And most importantly Arsenal would be saving themselves a year’s salary.
And he would be like a new signing
Sorry Shard, couldn’t resist 🙂
If that actually happened though…
‘Alright everyone, Arsene’s gone. We’ve got a new manager that we just know you’re all going to love.
It’s…..
SURPRISE!!! ARSENE AGAIN!!!
Arteta as a manager would be an insult to Wenger. I can’t get behind that idea even if I felt Wenger wasn’t doing enough within his control to get us challenging.
It will not be Arteta. Gazidis said they want to be bold in their appointment not stupid.
Wasn’t aware it was ‘Open Mic Night’.
jw1
It is. Up next is Blue Oyster Cult with their latest hit “I’m burnin for you”.
Granted, this is a purely self-serving headline just posted to SkySports:
“Ivan Gazidis believes Mikel Arteta could be Arsene Wenger’s replacement at Arsenal”
The article itself offers no direct quotes– and does the equivalency-thing by stating both Sanllehi’s (Enrique) and Mislintat’s (Nagelsmann/Tedesco) ‘preferences’ as well.
And dammit(!)– you made me look.
‘Burnin’ For You’ is BOC’s ‘latest hit’. Reaching #1 in 1981.
jw1
“…an insult to Wenger. ” Made me chuckle.
If in fact I’m correct– about the need to afford the backroom team another year to implement their ideals?
Then it’s quite likely that not only would Wenger ‘approve’?
But possibly suggested it.
jw1
Arteta has no experience and other than arranging the training cones at City for Pep what value would he bring? Firing Wenger for him would be an insult.
Unfortunately we don’t have a year for him to get used to management as we are already far behind.
Your keen insights overwhelm my logic, Black Knight.
Let’s call it a draw.
jw1
Dennis Bergkamp.
Why? Because he can walk on water.
What would he need to do first? Learn to fly.
Bergkamp and DeBoer. It would work. But, as you say, there’s the flying thing…
I say lets go for broke instead of picking up other clubs ex-managers – go for Viera and Henry as a double act
They know the club inside out, they know the style of play we are looking for and they have huge respect with players all over the world
Not much experience but then who was Wenger when he came and why should we rely on past glories of other candidates as any marker of success?
Much as I love those two guys, a) which one is in charge, b) what makes you think they would get along – teammates are one thing, managing together might be another and c) Vieira has all but ruled it out.
Jardim for me
Flexible in formation and tactical approach, has blooded young players, gets his team playing aggressive fast paced football and scores a lot of goals.
We may also get Fabinho into the fold, which would be a stellar signing.
He’s proved he can beat the big boys and spend well as well as having to sell. Those selling days are behind us so he’d be chuffed with that..
Jupp henycles
He has the a ability to make teams play that powerful attacking football tgat we all want to see and also the experience
He’s older than Wenger. That would be a pretty bold appointment.
Mikel arteta
Think he has great potential, as well as love from many fans to unite the fan base. He’s been able to work under greats like Arsene and pep. The first thing he’ll do is sure up the midfield whether that be to add one in the summer or develope AMN.
Emotionally I’d love him to manage us because he scored the only goal in the only game I’ve seen back in 2012 against city and I’ll remember it forever
Allegri, because he has that dignified kind of good looks; something we’re used to seeing in Wenger.
My sentiments exactly
Leonardo Jardim.
Beat us with both Olympiakos and Monaco. Rebuilt three different Monaco sides with a focus on developing young players. Beat Pochettino’s Spurs and Pep’s City last season. Will know how to accommodate our 2 strikers in a counter-attacking formation that we must adopt to cope with the other excellent top 6 teams.
First thing to do is re-educate this team in how to properly build-up play.
gareth southgate
Leonardo Jardim.
Proved himself with a small budget at a relatively big club with expectations while playing eye catching football and blooding youth in the process.
He also has the tactical acuity that has been sadly missing in the running of The Arse for sometime now.
The only issue might be his temperament. His default disposition is ‘hang dog’.
Yeah I agree with the last bit. It’s why I don’t see him as an Arsenal manager. I know that’s weird in a way because it isn’t the most important thing. And yet, there it is.
We’re getting a head coach. Not a manager. The biggest name we’ll get is Luis Enrique because he’s apolitical apparently and just focused on his job.
But I’d like to see Tedesco.
Reasons: 1) Culture: Fits into the German theme at the club. A lot of the coaches and staff are going to be staying, as per Per (haha) and he would thus (theoretically) slot in easier.
2) Tactics: I like the video of his tactics and the tactical switch to counter two types of teams. I don’t claim to be tactically astute but I just had a sense that they would fit the Arsenal squad and needs right now. (Bonus if he can bring Meyer along)
3) Stability. Being a young ‘laptop coach’ given his big shot he would be more flexible and keen to adjust to the Arsenal squad rather than demand changes (to players and staff) that a big coach with a clearly established style would, which would be more disruptive at this time. Like it or not, we are in the Arsenal GM era now. (Mislintat being the main guy there)
4) Low risk, high upside: Smaller name, lower expectations, more time given to him. If he doesn’t work, you change while keeping the same structure and personnel. Potentially huge upside in having a future great already in place for the long term if it does work out.
The first thing he would do. Meet the squad and convince them to follow his lead. (Then decide on the formation and accordingly talk transfers with Sven)
I think he’d be such a polar opposite of Wenger that it’d be just as much a kick up the backside of the squad if you hired Enrique or Simeone to lay the hammer down. He and Nagelsmann would bring energy, new ideas, could relate better to the younger players, they both know the German pipeline… it’d be exciting. Frankly, I acknowledge Jardim’s skills but I just wouldn’t get as geeked for the new season as I might if it was Tedesco or Nagelsmann.
Personally never fancied Enrique. Haven’t been impressed with his body of work outside Barca.
Eusebio Di Francesco, Dominic Tedesco and Julian Nagelsmann on the other hand, fit the bill of upwardly mobile and tactically proficient ‘laptop coaches’ that are currently in demand.
The issue lies in the fact that they have won nothing and have hardly been tested at the highest level in Europe.
It is all well and good taking a punt on the up and coming, but we would be better served right now taking on a person who is relatively proven and has won something reasonable quite recently in the top 5 European leagues.
Jardim ticks all the boxes(outside his demeanour).
We could do worse.
Eusebio di Francesco’s not up and coming – he won promotion with Sassuolo and kept them in the top half of Serie A for a couple seasons playing really good football before Roma hired him. He’s arrived!
Rod Senseless, sorry mate disregard my comment about Eusebio – I read “upwardly mobile” as up and coming.
Agree with you on Jardim. His team’s performances in those four games against Pep and Pochettino last season should put him at the top of the list. We have to keep our competition in mind.
Also just realised that Valverde’s about to complete an unbeaten season at Barca and his name hasn’t come up once.
Because he’s at Barca.
Thomas Tuchel
Why, because he is a master technician who favours a high paced attack.
I would hope the first thing he does is lead by example in encouraging the team to connect with the fans.
Was Tuchel very popular with the fans? I’m asking because I don’t know, but personally I have a hard time liking him. I mean I should like him. He says the right things (as far as I know), he plays good football, but there’s just something a bit off about him. Like he’s a bit of a d***. And I thought that before any of the issues with him and the Dortmund hierarchy came out.
He was on the coach attacked by a terrorist. The Dortmund hierarchy told them to play the next day without consulting him. He stood up, fiercely, to protect his traumatised players against those absurd demands. And just the other week gave remarkable testimony about it in a courtroom in Germany. I recommend you read it. Most of those guys are still therapy.
Whoever gets Tuchel will be very, very lucky.
So, it seems Tuchel is being courted by PSG, with some papers suggesting that he’s already agreed to join them. I don’t see us winning any race, on or off the field, with PSG, unfortunately. Otherwise, yeah, I think he’d be a strong candidate.
Though I just now did a search and found a German journalist who thinks there’s a 50% chance of Tuchel joining Arsenal, and that it’s not just about money for him, etc. We’ll see.
Well, it’s not cleart, but he’s given his word to a forgeign club that much is clear. He told Bayern he’s not available anymore. Kicker then suggested it was Arsenal but that was shot down. PSG seems now more likely.
Is there a link to that testimony online?
I’ve looked for it– and have found one article that goes further into detail than most at goal.com — but no Google search results from:
‘tuchel testimony bus attack’
Not seeing any links to the testimony.
While Dortmund captain Marcel Schmelzer was quoted: “That changed my life. One is still affected, still terribly so.” ? Nor, in any of the dozen or so articles I read, referencing ‘many Dortmund players still in therapy’.
Piqued my curiosity. Got links?
jw1
If you were genuinely interested, you’d find it. But you just wanna argue so you’re doing that thing trolls do online where they ask the other person to “provide evidence”.
Get better at google. Or learn some German.
Actually I do Google well. An integral part of my work.
If we’re being honest, it was you who was trolling me yesterday over my claim that Arteta would be a good choice.
When someone asks for proof of a comment– or in this case testimony? And cannot find it after making a true effort?
Then asking the poster to provide links is definitely not trolling.
Put up? Or back down.
jw1
It wasn’t even the next day, it was in the same way, a few hours later. Marc Batra was injured in that attack and is still traumatised. Dortmund let let him go to back to spain in january for cheap as a gesture of good will. It is played down everywhere but quite a few will suffer from PTSD still.
He is very prickly plus he succeeded Kloppo who is still revered and changed the club comlpetely, so he was never going to be loved in the same way. But he was well regarded and ask the fans now they’d take him back in a heartbeat. Their still mad at their brass for firing him.
It’s a toss up betweeen Tuchel or Jardim for me. Both develop players, can make players better, play intricate attractive football without being exposed. The football Tuchel played with Dortmund was mesmerising at times, it combined ball retention, pressing and flexibility. The fallout with the Dortmund brass was very specifically tied to the events of the bomb assault and the special circumstances around Dortmund and being Klopp’s sucessor.
Third choice would be Allegri.
Ancelotti is not interested in developing anything, he’s a high-class mercenary at this point, Tedesco is way too early, Löw isn’t very remarkable, he shepherded the most talented gneeration of german players ever well enough, but national team management is very different from the demands of club level, and his career there has been very unremarkable.
I like the idea of Vieria as well, his stature alone instills respect and he’s being serious about developing his coaching skills going to the US and learning how to coach first of all.
NYC? Is that a real club? It would be quite the step – an even bigger step than Henry, and we all know how bad an idea that would be.
Well ,so is going from any B-team to coach the A team. He’s putting in the time and serious to learn what it takes. That is e.g. more than can be said of Henry e.g.
Rafa Benetiz
Deeply experienced and successful manager.
Joachim Low
Despite not having much club experience, the excellent team level of a national team like Germany is not just good players. He plays offensive football, not that different with all the good think that can be inherited from the Wenger era, but is obviously adapted to the modern style with high pressing, playing from the back and so on.
He’s also showed he’s good developing a team full of young players, so no reason to think with more time and coaching every day he can’t do that.
And having won a WC, he will be a respected figure from day one.
Minuses: his finger and where he puts it before he smells it
First thing he would do I guess is define the squad for exactly the way he wants to play, specially defense and defensive midfielders.
He didn’t develop the players though, his tenure coincides with the rise of the most talented players germany has ever had, produced by the clubs and the tactical development of the bundesliga. He’s done good enough and developed the playing style but he took the most important cues from elsewhere. His club career is very unremarkable.
Patrick Vieira.
He is an Arsenal man. Spent 9 years at the club. He represents the glory of the Wenger years that Arsenal fans want back. He has learned the job from elsewhere. He is a winner and reinvigorate the club towards winning. He wouldn’t take the deficiencies of the club and carry it as his own like Wenger did – I remember him wanting to leave Arsenal long before he did, because he didn’t think we were investing enough. Opposed Wenger signing Francis Jeffers because of it.
The first thing he has to do is fix the midfield in the way he wants it to be. Arsenal over the years has always been defined by how we set up our midfield. Been my only criticism of Wenger in the last two seasons when Cazorla hasn’t played.
Enrique.
– favours a more ‘Arsenal’ style of play than any other name mentioned
– understands defensive systems
– used to winning
– currently on sabattical
First thing he’d be looking for is a disciplined linking midfielder (ie the player we should have signed when Santi picked up his long term injury) to implement his systems.
Tony Pulis.
Why ? Because he dresses nicely.
Oh yeah! The Pube! Must be on Gazidis’ short list. I hear he really builds a sense of teamwork by showering with everybody.
I just realised that Tedesco is Italian for German.
Allegri is my first choice, but while Arsenal are a more revenue rich club than Juventus, leaving the old lady of Turin for Arsenal would be a step down, and one he won’t take. Juventus have far more pedigree and far more of an illustrious history than Arsenal. He is already at one of the best perches in world football. If being in a more competitive league is important to him, sure, he’d look at it. But I can’t see that move.
It’d have to be a coach for whom Arsenal is a step up, or if he’s a top drawer coach, it’s have to be someone unemployed — not someone employed but on the move like Tuchel. Sorry, Arteta and Vieira. Love you both, but not sold on either of you because Roy Keane and Tony Adams didn’t pull up any trees in management. Do an internship at Fulham first, and show us what you got.
Luis Enrique wants this job so bad; and I’d give it to him. I like a man who wears plimsolls and linen suits on the touchline. Stylee lee lee lee. The hip and cool factor. Mind you, he’s have to put them away by late August, and take Arsene’s old overcoat that refused to zip up.
Agree with most of what you said, but how is Arsenal a step up for Enrique? I would be thrilled if it were Enrique, but he would expect a big budget with the job, and want lots of control over personnel. I think we signed up Raul and Mislintat so the coach won’t be able to drive personnel. Consult, but not drive. So I doubt Enrique will sign up. If he does, watch out for some very visible battles over spending.
I didn’t say it was. Plus, he’s unemployed. He’d be joining Arsenal from no job.
I HOPE there is some battles over spending. From what I read on arseblog today, I am already dreading the transfer window.
I wonder when the club will make the announcement. Do they already know? Do they wait until the end of the season?
SkySports excerpt:
Arsenal are yet to comment but Gazidis on Monday briefed 200 members of the club’s staff at the Emirates, explaining how the painstaking global search to find Wenger’s replacement will be carried out.
jw1
Jardim – has won 2 leagues already, plays open attractive football, with plenty of brilliant young players. From a footballing viewpoint, that’s a better cv than Arsene when he joined. A lot of the other names might be brilliant, but I think it’s important to have won something and that separates jardim (and simeone, allegri) from nagelsman, Howe, arteta, vieira etc. And of those 3 winning coaches, Jardim’s teams play the most attractive football and have brought through some brilliant young players
Just one pick? Eusebio. He’s doing very well with an unfancied Roma team. Also because nobody else has mentioned him.
First thing he needs to do? Convince Jorginho to join the Arsenal project and not City.
Dark horse suggestion just to generate some heat? Sean Dyche.
Thomas Tuchel please (if he hasn’t signed for PSG yet).
– Given the size of the rebuild the next manager has in store for them, I think Tuchel is best suited to get an immediate improvement from the current squad while also having the ability to clean house and build a much better squad long term.
– He has already worked extremely successfully with Aubameyang and Mykhi at dotrmund, also give him Ozil and Laca and Tuchel will work wonders with our current offense.
– He’s ability to organize a pressing game will take some of the pressure off our shell-shocked defenders. I also think Ramsey is the type of box to box midfielder who would thrive under Tuchel.
The first thing he should do is sort out our midfield, I can’t think of a better candidate to do this (who is available). I think that change alone will make our current squad 20-30% better.
Forgot to mention…
– I also like the strength of character he has shown previously, especially with the run-ins he had with the higher-ups at Dortmund. I think this will be important given the political maneuvering that will be happening due to the size of the power vaccum left in Wenger’s wake.
– Honestly, he seems like an ideal successor to Wenger in the way he conducts himself and the way he’s teams play football. As much as someone like Simeone at Arsenal is enticing in the sense of how antithetical it would be to what we’re used to, I think I’m realizing what I really want is someone to continue Wenger’s legacy (or what it should have been if you exclude the last 7-8 years).
I pick Jardim. I’m a realist. I don’t believe Arsenal’s ownership is about to change its ways by honestly trying to contend for titles. They are happy to be in CL, and have what LOOKS LIKE a chance to win every year vs. actually having the chance. They aren’t willing to pay the big money in transfers to attract the superstars and need to build and nurture to have an outside chance. They will look at our roster as “a few players away” from a title, and tinker, rather than do more overhauling. They won’t get on the manager merry-go-round every 3 years. Cup titles are realistic. If the stars align, they might win a league title. But it’s not a requirement, in truth, and they know it. If that’s the mindset (and there’s no evidence otherwise), you don’t hire Ancelotti, Allegri, Enrique, Conte or anyone else who expects a big budget and to be gone in 3 years. You don’t want a manager who will lash out angrily in the media when the spending inevitably doesn’t happen. You get someone who, as Bunburyist said, sees AFC as a step up, in stature and in budget, from what they’re used to. And who wants to build something long-term – in theory.
So Jardim will invest in a keeper and CB, and try to get more out of Xhaka, Ramsey and Elneny with a more discplined defensive setup. We might finish 3rd if he’s successful. This is the realist’s view. And maybe, just maybe, the stars will align and we will actually contend. Let’s just hope it’s entertaining, attacking football. Regardless, I will still be watching.
Max Allegri for me.
He has a winning pedigree,, winning successive Serie A titles, won titles at Milan and Juve, tactically astute, intelligent, been learning English for last two years and has the right image to be an Arsenal manager with no ranting and raving on the touchline.
I’d imagine that as an Italian his first job would be to reorganise the defence.
In Serie A, clubs still take defending seriously.
Arteta
Fresh bold start, with some kind of continuity…..
I get the dissatisfaction with Arteta being suggested, but I think the idea of established managers coming in overlooks where we now stand as a club. The driving force of the club is now in the CEO’s office rather than the manager’s. They don’t want/need a manager to come in and take over from Wenger. The only way I can see Arsenal going for a name hire is if there’s an outstanding candidate available. Max Allegri might be one of them but if so he has to make up his mind now. Is he going to leave Juventus and join Arsenal for a project?
Luis Enrique, I can see why Sanhelli might want him, but somehow, he seems like a ‘nothing’ choice. Neither a radical new approach, nor a huge name manager of repute (despite his success)
Jardim seems too abrasive to fit the image of the club and more importantly work under the club’s structure without fightback. Likewise Tuchel, and his falling out with Mislintat will likely discount him anyway.
The way I see it the club are just looking at a coach to come in and train the players. Not for another manager to come in and dominate/challenge the ‘process’ and structure that they’ve created. (Gazidis said as much. Any new manager has to fit into the structure here.) Transfers will not be his remit. An attacking philosophy is set in stone. He will be expected to improve performances and deliver CL football, and represent the club well in the media. But not much else. And so I think they’ll go for a relatively (or entirely) inexperienced guy. The ‘bold’ choice. Arteta fits into that conversation. As does Tedesco of course.
The Kroenkes have recent history of making such appointments. And for the most part they’ve worked out. I can’t see them deviating too much from that here. If it works out well, they look like geniuses. If it doesn’t, they can always say they were bold and start over without major upheaval.
But the ‘new’ structure is not very special from any other top club, that’s how most of them work now. It’s rather that we were the outlier under Wenger, we were old fashioned and have modernised now.
Monaco e.g. doesn’t operate with a ‘manager’, they have a DoF and a scouting network that is operated by various heads of departments, Jardim doesn’t decide on who comes and goes.
True, but we are still unique because we’re just exiting the Wenger era. Gazidis, Sanhelli and Mislintat will want to consolidate their power/establish the structures rather than be challenged by a big name coach. And like I said, the Kroenkes have history of going younger in coaching/executive appointments. Which would likely insulate them from any possible fallout from up high if it doesn’t work.
From Gazidis’ press conference messaging, I don’t get the sense they’re going for any big name. At least not unless circumstances change. Allegri leaving Juventus for example might cause a rethink.
Also true, but this appointment will also be make or break for Gazidis who can no longer behind Wenger’s shadow. He had a cushy job until now but he will have to deliever now.
Meh, I’m not so sure. Among the fans maybe, but I think at board level he’ll get a couple of tries to get it right. Especially because Arsenal are not going to spend at a level to help a quick turnaround. A young coach represents a low risk, high reward scenario for the club.
If Jardim or someone does come in after they’ve paid a big(gish) fee and salary for him, and even once says something about spending in the media, how would it be perceived? After years of shielding from Wenger, they wouldn’t want the club to become the direct target of spend some effing money. Much better to take on a young guy, claim you are planning to grow together as is the culture of the club, and if it doesn’t work out, take the blame for picking the wrong guy. I think that would be part of Gazidis’ mandate, and may be the reason why despite Sanhelli’s confidence in Enrique, it won’t be shared by the others at the club. It may also be the reason why…gulp…Thierry Henry was reportedly Josh Kroenke’s choice.
With all the attendant tut-tutting– over even a possibility of (Gazidis’ choice by some accounts) Mikel Arteta getting into the interview room?
With all of the Tuchel-love being shown upthread– why isn’t the elephant-in-the-interview-room being discussed?
Have Sven and Tom made amends?
Some reconciliation I’ve missed perhaps?
Between the guy who banned the club’s chief scout from the practice facility– and the scout– who would now effectively be his superior?
Some overarching reason why– when Arsenal have just made a break from a situation of supreme conflict with a segment of its’ supporters and fanbase? The club would dive right back into a potentially combustible situation– at the hint of an unintended slight?
Somebody got something solid?
That turns this history between Mislintat and Tuchel into a positive?
All ears.
jw1
No, Tuchel is not coming, but we were talking about our wish list. He’s set for PSG and even before that he was already talking to Chelsea. So it doesn’t matter much.
Yours is the only mention of ‘wish list’ in any of the comments.
Nor in the Rules above either.
I was aware of the PSG connection. But say that Tuchel would be Roman’s cup-of-vodka.
So, all of this– and the Sven-spat too?
Revisits the original question:
Why is anyone discussing Tuchel again?
jw1
** would not
Only one man fits the bill (i will crie if this guy gets it, my personal fav since the job he did at Palace) – FRANK DE BOER
– Big personality (wouldnt get overwhelmed)
– Tactically brilliant
– Bloody hard-headed (like Wenger and most other top managers; one of the most important traits required in one of the most high profile jobs in the world)
– Style of play
– Appropriate mix of experience and age
– His trust in tactics and youth at the same time (to deal even with a shoestring budget)
No coaching success.
There’s a story in the Telegraph this am about how the new manager will only have a £50m budget and extra funds will have to be raised by sales. This tallies with our spending restrictions over the last 3-4 seasons. In the two seasons where Ozil and Alexis arrived we spent about £100m net. That explains the mysterious summer of 2015 where we spent nothing.
In 2016 we spent what we’d saved the previous year by spending £90m net on Xhaka, Mustafi and co. In terms of net spend this season is much closer to 2015 (2015 net spend £19m, this year £17m in profit!). So it’s likely the new manager will be able to push that 50m figure closer to 90 or 100 this summer.
Also think the new man would be wise to cash in on Ramsey, and on Xhaka’s recent good form. Let’s not make the mistake we made with Alexis. Klopp let Coutinho go and invested in his defence. We have to construct a formidable GK/CB/DM base for this team or Laca/Auba/Ozil’s talent will go to waste. Sacrifice and prioritise.
It could also be a sensible way of lowering expectations, among the fans and of course agents.
Also not seeing probability in Ramsey being sold. This group of attackers is outstanding– and Ramsey is integral. Now being complimented– and freed to do what he does best. Really don’t see him leaving the PL. Other than the core of attackers he’s now playing with? City, maybe Pool, could be considered better. Doubt he’d consider going to either.
jw1
50m a year in transfer/new salary is not going to sustain our status even in 6th place.
That will rule out Ancelotti, Benitez, Enrique, Conte, Allegri, Sarri and Simeone, who would all want sizeable transfer budgets to remake the team, and could be offered jobs elsewhere with better transfer budgets.
I don’t think they float that number out there by accident – the implication is that any new manager will have to work with younger (cheaper) talent and bring them up to standard. That limits the choices to Jardim, Nagelsmann, Tedesco, Tuchel, Emery and DeBoer in my mind.
Derren Brown.
That really would f*k with the opposition’s heads.
BRENDAN ROGERS
Because that’s what the fans deserve after the way we treated Arsene.
Let’s not pretend Arsene was a saint. Let’s not pretend he was a martyr for this club. He was, essentially, a man with unchecked power who was not afraid to wield it. Much of the abuse was overboard, but that is essentially how revolutions go.
I don’t really know enough to have an opinion on who should get it. If I had to bet I would put money on Enrique, although he doesn’t get me excited.
I think the club does want somebody to continue Wenger’s legacy, so I think those who are hoping for a technical head coach who will be here for a couple of seasons before they go on to the next challenge, will be disappointed. I would put Tuchel, Nagelsmann and Jardim into this box (but I could be wrong on all of those – they may want to find a home and build something). Likewise I think that more seasoned managers like Ancelotti and Allegri would not view this as a long-term gig.
Enrique for me is the closest cultural fit in terms of the club’s approach and values, and in terms of where he is in his career. I still have a feeling though that it could be someone whose name is not on this list. Wenger was a name out of the blue, and even if Dein et al are gone now, there’s clear precedent there for picking someone who’s a good fit rather than picking someone the fans have heard of.
I’d love the club to take a punt on either Vieira or Arteta, but that is very much heart ruling head.
Sean Dyche. His first task is to make each player, coach etc eat a bucket of worms. Anyone who refuses has their contract terminated!
Not young enough and not sexy enough.
“I don’t really know enough to have an opinion on who should get it. ”
As per Greg above, I haven’t a clue about who would be really good for our club right now, and with all respect to some of the informed opinions in the comments, I don’t think anyone really does, especially the board.
After 22 years, it’ll be an experiment and a leap of faith just as it was with Wenger. We can only hope that it turns oiut half as good as his first fre years in charge.
COYG!!!
Does not matter!
Whomever gets the keys to the proverbial castle will find only cobwebs, bats and rats.
Inside the new coach will find an empty chest, all the while being greeted at the door by count alucard.
With stan the man, his son, and the rest of the familial leeches waiting to come by now and then, looking to collect their fair share of whatever is left from hillside scavenging.
Lather rinse repeat.
I will go for Tedesco Domenico!
He is such a brilliant strategist and he’s already shown what he can do.
Arsenal has suffered from week defense or lack of defense tactics.
He is good at making solid defense.
It is said that Arsenal would have limited budget for the transfer market, but I think he can manage to make a new team under this situation.
So it’s Jardim by popular consensus, with Allegri close second,and Arteta in third by some distance.
I’m cool with that.
At least no one said Thierry Henry, who would’ve been a terrible choice.
We are going to need someone who can extract maximum talent out of the current squad due to a typically light transfer funds made available to a new and unproven ( to the league) coach.
Anyone who looked at Ox from a studio seat and up close at the Arsenal training grounds and stated that they didn’t see one single thing the player was good at, should stay in the studio and far away from coaching.
Jardim knows no English and has expressed zero interest in moving to England in the past.
Allegri is not taking a demotion to come coach Arsenal, playing in the Europa League, fighting for 5th or 6th place, with 50m annual transfer budgets. Sorry, that’s ludicrous everyone. Leaving Juventus for Arsenal would be a dramatic step down. Only if he got fired and I would say Juve will pull out the title again, he’s staying put.
Arteta would be a ludicrous appointment. Not even, say, West Ham would consider appointing Mikel Arteta for his first top job. Stop everyone, please, I don’t get it, it’s not plausible.
Those three might be the consensus picks on this blog, but I would lay odds that it’s not going to be any of them. For cryin’ out loud, today I’m reading about some dude I never heard of from Leipzig RB. It’s going to be mind-blowing when it happens.
But when? That’s my big question.
Common Jack , Jardim is on €3,7m and if Arsenal doubled his salary, which they could easily do and still be under what the paid Wenger, then he might be persuaded to cross that narrow strip of water and even learn a lick of English.
$hit, for that kind of money he might pick up Mandarin.
Although he’s living in Monaco, so it’s tax-free…
I get the step down – Juve are Euro royalty, Champs league guaranted and currently a 40% chance of title (min) at the start of every season.
But if he’s bored of winning at Juve and fancies going in with some big beasts all year round? Inter & AC just haven’t got it going in the league. Maybe he’d fancy the sporting challenge and probably a shed load more cash.
Basically, right now Arsenal have a 40% chance of playing in the Champions League next season. If they don’t win the EL, they will be right back there for a second season. A third season in Europa League kinda condemns Arsenal to a mid-table image.
First of all – perhaps even the new manager (whoever that may be) is waiting to see the outcome before deciding, since almost every one who is suggested will manage a CL club next season.
Second – in a League where you already have Pep, Jose, Poch, Klopp, Conte, does anyone honestly believe Arteta could be better than them? I mean, I like the guy but there’s no way he can outcoach at least two of them to clinch CL qualification. And like I said, we need the CL again very very soon or we are moving into Evertonian territory.
And I don’t get the comparison with Guardiola. Pep already coached at Barca before upgrading to the senior team, and he also inherited the best side of all time. The transition was waaaay easier for him than it would be for someone only 4-5 years older than Aubameyang.
So, no Arteta for me, thank you, but I would love me some Jardim.
This being the CL, a 5-2 away defeat is a better result than a 3 nil away defeat. Roma has been given a life line.
So Liverpool put 5 past Roma and no one could say Roma have no chance.
Salah is truly at the Messi level this season.
Would Barca take Messi off at 5:0 first leg?
I don’t think so.
I Roma find the way back in the second leg Klopp will have some explaining to do.
You don’t take a player like Salah off unless it’s over.
Too bad for Chamberlain.
It looked like a season ending cruciate ligament injury, MCL most likely.
Claude, you mentioned above that Enrique really wants the job. Where did you read that?
Interesting. Everyone seems to rate him highly except for (most) Arsenal fans. Why?
Through Guillem Balague on twitter, he said openly that it’s a job he fancies. And the way balague reported it, it looked to me like Enrique wanted it known and placed it out there that he’s interested.
Carlos Querioz
I didn’t know much about him even when he was working at Man United.
But he has been with Iran’s national team in the last 8 years and I can tell he is amazing.
He came in just after the so called Golden generation were gone thee are the guys who made a heroic 2-2 draw in Australia and went to the World Cup in 1998 and he made an amazing team out of nothing. His team is very well structured defensively and razor sharp in counter attacks. Iran was the third team qualified for the World Cup next year after The host and Brazil without conceding a goal. Give him a Mesut Ozil and Abumeyang and he will win everything
Luis Enrique
If arsenal don’t employ Enrique, I’ll drink my shampoo!
in wenger’s three championship teams, there were two mainstays. those two players were patrick vieira and dennis bergkamp. if you remove any of those two players, does wenger even win a championship? i can’t see it, especially without vieira. my bold and potentially polarizing take is that wenger needed vieira to find the success he did in england but vieira didn’t need wenger. luckily, we got to experience both.
vieira is a truly special man with a unique pedigree. he captained caen at 17 before being mentored by absolute legends of the game at milan. then, he was coached by wenger and further mentored by petit, keown, and tony adams. he is an absolute legend who’s won everything; nothing like arteta. despite his short time in mls, paddy already has a reputation and was recently voted as the coach most mls players want to play for.
vieira for manager because he wants back in at arsenal and bergkamp as assistant because he, too, would love to come back to london but doesn’t want to be the manager. they know what it means to wear the shirt and what it takes to win the bpl championship. in 2002, vieira was the best player in the world and not because of his brilliance but because he established himself as, arguably, the most complete and fundamentally sound player ever; he knows what it takes to get the best out of available talent, as he’s shown both as a player and a manager. if arsenal bring back that duo, they bring back bergkamp/vieira-ball, alternatively known as wengerball. despite his limited managerial experience, vieira’s brilliance is plain to see. arsenal need to snatch him up before others find out what we already know.
understand, my arteta comparison was not to throw shade at arteta but to show reverence to the clear difference between the two. many have lumped the two together but one is clearly superior and has won everything while the other has won nothing except an fa cup.
Absolutely love this reminder about Vieira’s achievements and status in football. No disrespect to Arteta, who a lot of people clearly love and who was wonderful for us (I always lamented we didn’t get him from Everton 3 years earlier) but PV4 was an absolute colossus for us and his arrival made everything Wenger achieved possible. Never been so proud as I was in 1998 watching our midfield general win the World Cup with France. He’s truly a legend of the world game.
Recently he’s been back in Italy to watch managers he admires like Sarri train so he’s on the right track. I think he (and Henry and Arteta) will be successful down the line but the reality is: former players going back to their clubs to win titles as a coach is rare as fuck. It only happens in exceptional circumstances when the club already has an exceptional group of players.
Kenny Dalgleish is revered for doing it with Liverpool and Ancelotti did it with Milan but I can’t recall too many other examples of it happening outside of Bayern and Barcelona. Eusebio di Francesco is a former Roma player so of course there are counterpoints.
…and it’s a shame that arteta didn’t get called up to the spain team in the build up for the last world cup in 2014. mikey was playing at a truly elite level and busquets was out injured. it should have been xabi alonso and arteta.
Errr….no.
By extension of your logic we should bring back the entire starting 11 of the Invincibles and give them coaching duties.
Obviously Tony Adams will take only the managerial position.
The bookies favorite at 2-1 is Enrique and Wenger holds in high regard.
Check out Walcott’s comments when asked to compare Wenger to Allardyce (Sam should not even be in the same sentence with Wenger by the way) : Walcott said: “They’re on completely different levels of the way they manage. I think everyone can tell that.
Jamie redknapp, or any other skysport pundit, just to make them eat their own words